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jammedfool wrote: Tue Apr 06, 2021 9:50 am
Does that say "Aggressively hard"? Out in the car park might be right then!

Hi and welcome!
If you were thinking about adjusting water parameters, could you go down the line of your own RO unit? Would save turning your car into a mobile aquarium?
Thanks Jammed!

Always been a blooming nightmare for fishkeeping out here.

I was hoping to avoid it if possible. I am not fully sure on how the system would work but I would assume I need a storage butt for it (No space in the house for this so would have to be outside which I think causes its own problems) time, and a spare tap or then having to install it on the main sink which if I am honest is getting too much to think about already!

Is the solution and/or filter media way of softening water a dud idea?
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Stephen wrote: Tue Apr 06, 2021 10:03 am
bbroom89 wrote: Tue Apr 06, 2021 8:33 am I was thinking of the API softener pillow and maybe some peat moss as well in a bag in the filter, also Tetra EasyBalance says it balances KH so if anyone knows or has experience with this it would be much appreciated.

I would rather avoid R/O, especially at the moment but not sure of other options.
This is what API say about the so-called API Water Softener Pillow
API wrote:Rinse pouch under tap water. Place pouch in path of water flow in the aquarium filter. Activity of the pillow lasts 48 hours. After 48 hours, recharging is necessary.
API Water Softener Pillow can be recharged and re-used up to 4 times.
This is what Tetra say about the Tetra EasyBalance
Tetra wrote:Details
Stabilises important carbonate hardness (KH) and pH water values
Simplifies aquarium maintenance: no need for monthly partial water changes with a moderate fish stock
Extends the period between (partial) water changes
Sustainably reduces phosphate and nitrate
Contains essential vitamins and minerals for healthy fish and plants
Minimises tap water consumption
Suitable for all freshwater aquariums
Ideal for simplifying the maintenance of soft water aquariums, such as those containing discus fish
In my view neither product will really help to soften your very hard water.

The real solution for keeping soft water fish species is mixing tap water with RO water.
Soft water fish species will not do well in the wrong water.
If your tap water is 24.7 dGH (German) then the aim is for something below 12dGH.
The ratio for mixing tap water with RO water would be something like 40:60 (40% tap water with 60% RO water) to give approx 10dGH (lower would be even better).
On a 240L aquarium then that equates to approx 140L of RO water + tap water as a start.
If you do 20% weekly water changes then you will be changing approx 48L per week which would consist of approx 30L of RO water + 18L tap water.

The simplest answer is to keep fish species that are suitable to your water.
plankton wrote: Tue Apr 06, 2021 8:41 am The water looks best for Rift Lake cichlids and synos...... ;)
Rift lake cichlids (either Lake Malawi or Lake Tanganyika, which can not be mixed, it's one or the other) can be very colourful, I personally have admired these fish in the LFS (local fish stockist).

All the best
Thanks for the advice Stephen, taken on board!

I am the same in terms of admiring the fish for their colours (most Malawi or Tanganyika Cichlids are marine quality in terms of colour) I just think a max 20 in my tank with nothing else is not what my heart is wanting at present.

The only upside is i have whilst my tank is cycling to work out how well i can soften my water with natural options (wood, plants and peat moss in filter bag)
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bbroom89 wrote: Tue Apr 06, 2021 10:12 am The only upside is i have whilst my tank is cycling to work out how well i can soften my water with natural options (wood, plants and peat moss in filter bag)
My water hardness is 16 dGH out of the tap, you could try, with peat and botanicals my aquarium hangs around 12-13 which somewhat more acceptable for many species.

Tests from last week before renewing my peat;

pH test = 7.2
GH test = 12 dGH
KH test = 14 dKH
NO2 test = 0
NH3 test = 0
NO3 test = 5ppm

Tapwater;

pH test = 7.6
GH test = 18 dGH
KH test = 15 dKH
NO2 test = 0
NH3 test = 0
NO3 test = 25ppm
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Martinspuddle wrote: Tue Apr 06, 2021 10:26 am
bbroom89 wrote: Tue Apr 06, 2021 10:12 am The only upside is i have whilst my tank is cycling to work out how well i can soften my water with natural options (wood, plants and peat moss in filter bag)
My water hardness is 16 dGH out of the tap, you could try, with peat and botanicals my aquarium hangs around 12-13 which somewhat more acceptable for many species.

Tests from last week before renewing my peat;

pH test = 7.2
GH test = 12 dGH
KH test = 14 dKH
NO2 test = 0
NH3 test = 0
NO3 test = 5ppm

Tapwater;

pH test = 7.6
GH test = 18 dGH
KH test = 15 dKH
NO2 test = 0
NH3 test = 0
NO3 test = 25ppm
That gives me a good starting point, do you mind me asking how much you water change in Litres and how often you need to change to Peat and Botanicals?
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Weekly 50%, peat changed roughly every month, fresh botanicals once a year I add new ones. one or two Guava or Catappa added every other week. :]

Try it on your 60 and see how get on, test regularly both tap and aquarium.

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I will warn you, you will find your aquarium will look muddy in places but remembering in the wild, silty water is quite normal. :]

I posted a link to a couple of videos last year of Tetras in the wild; Snorkelling with Tetras
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bbroom89 wrote: Tue Apr 06, 2021 10:12 am
Stephen wrote: Tue Apr 06, 2021 10:03 am The real solution for keeping soft water fish species is mixing tap water with RO water.
Soft water fish species will not do well in the wrong water.
If your tap water is 24.7 dGH (German) then the aim is for something below 12dGH.
The ratio for mixing tap water with RO water would be something like 40:60 (40% tap water with 60% RO water) to give approx 10dGH (lower would be even better).
On a 240L aquarium then that equates to approx 140L of RO water + tap water as a start.
If you do 20% weekly water changes then you will be changing approx 48L per week which would consist of approx 30L of RO water + 18L tap water.

The simplest answer is to keep fish species that are suitable to your water.
plankton wrote: Tue Apr 06, 2021 8:41 am The water looks best for Rift Lake cichlids and synos...... ;)
Rift lake cichlids (either Lake Malawi or Lake Tanganyika, which can not be mixed, it's one or the other) can be very colourful, I personally have admired these fish in the LFS (local fish stockist).

All the best
Thanks for the advice Stephen, taken on board!

I am the same in terms of admiring the fish for their colours (most Malawi or Tanganyika Cichlids are marine quality in terms of colour) I just think a max 20 in my tank with nothing else is not what my heart is wanting at present.

The only upside is i have whilst my tank is cycling to work out how well i can soften my water with natural options (wood, plants and peat moss in filter bag)
One of our good members has hard water at approx 18dGH.
He collects rain water and treats it and has excellent soft water.
@Vale!
Can you advise please ?
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Martinspuddle wrote: Tue Apr 06, 2021 10:55 am Weekly 50%, peat changed roughly every month, fresh botanicals once a year I add new ones. one or two Guava or Catappa added every other week. :]

Try it on your 60 and see how get on, test regularly both tap and aquarium.

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click to enlarge

I will warn you, you will find your aquarium will look muddy in places but remembering in the wild, silty water is quite normal. :]

I posted a link to a couple of videos last year of Tetras in the wild; Snorkelling with Tetras
I would have to use filtration to clear the water, the OH had only one condition, and that was no tea-stained water (My last tank before I dropped out of the hobby was heavily tea-stained, I loved it she did not!)

Good shout on the 60l test!
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lww_BOIGBbc

dont know if any good and they look massive

you could put on outside tape rather than kitchen one :)

also when go to sisters house (when boris lets us again) down by Wisbech, the OH will only drink pop or bottled water. I can't taste the difference from yorkshire water lol
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cdelly wrote: Tue Apr 06, 2021 11:22 am https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lww_BOIGBbc

dont know if any good and they look massive

you could put on outside tape rather than kitchen one :)

also when go to sisters house (when boris lets us again) down by Wisbech, the OH will only drink pop or bottled water. I can't taste the difference from yorkshire water lol
That is a unit! Does that soften the water alongside dechlorinating?

Haha, I do think tap water is tap water, to be honest I just prefer the taste of bottled water but I think that's because I exclusively drink it!
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The Evolution Aqua - Detox inline dechlorinator is basically an inline tube with carbon.
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